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Vitas · Sep 10, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

To the OP [Original Poster];

Regardless of how some of the replies may have stung, you have come to one of the right places to learn your craft. There are a lot of really good replies on your thread and I, having monked since I began a year ago, have learned some things as well.

Many of the PVP crowd know the skills inside and out, backward and forward. However, some of them are less than tolerant toward newbies so I wouldn't jump right into PVP or Elite PVE missions immediately.

Read these forums and the guides at the main Guru site as well as at the wikis. [As far as the PVXWiki - I consider cookie cutter builds a starting point, not the final answer for a build.] One of the things that I thought wouldn't really help me that helped me to get motivated to be better was a guide originally posted by Inde, Guru admin:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ing-id1982.php It's not just for wammos

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To the specific points of your post, I've read great replies and would only be repeating them here. Except to say that you will want to study your available skills and tools and adjust if you have a tank who does the 'go,go,go' thing because they find it too difficult or are unable to re-build their adrenaline.

This is a pretty balanced game and you will always find a way to deal with the different types of players

. -V

Vanquisher · Sep 10, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by haggus71

For all those on their knees in front of Vanquisher at the expense of others....

I think everyone recognizes his achievements. My point was one of courtesy and encouragement. It is very easy to be an asshole when you get to a certain level of achievement. Being helpful and encouraging someone doing a good job does the community as a whole better. Some people gave great suggestions on playing a new monk(e-management, non-repetitive skills, etc.), and all I say is to give 2 seconds of encouragement when they are excelling. If you argue against even saying a word, I don't care what your achievements are. They just make you a prettier, shinier a$$hole.

I never said don't give encouragement. A simple gg to the whole party at the end, or thanks for the run, is widely accepted as a 'well done' kind of thing. However, isolating one or two people to give them extra credit for doing what the class is meant to do isn't really something I would feel like doing personally. The job, quite simply, isn't hard enough to warrant any extra praise.

That said, if someone does waste my time by running a bar full of crap like HH/HB on a Warrior, does no damage, can't maintain aggro, decides to stop and wait for Monks to regen when they don't need to, etc. I'm going to get annoyed. I don't want to have my time wasted by some morons who think they're super awesome and run retarded stuff. I want to finish quicker so I have more time to do things. If a Ranger decides to take no interrupts (this happened once) in Frostmaw, and the whole team gets Bile on them because of it, and one Monk is terrible, so we spend 10 minutes waiting after every mob, wipe at least two times on the first 2 levels, I'm going to get annoyed. It just so happened myself and the other Monk did quit out purely because of that, and the fact the Warrior did take Hands/Breeze. The Ranger was also Ignite/Barrage, by the way.

P.S. My achievements are rubbish. I haven't done anything in this game as I have never actually been to a World Championship and earned money from it.

dragonofinfinity · Sep 10, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

many classes have dificulty with energy mannagment, its not just monks, my ranger has huge problems even with loads of experties.

my advice would be :

-get a secondary with energy managment, ele and mesmer have skills,
-check your points distribution, this can mess everything up if they are distributed in certain ways,
-yell at people if they run too far ahead of you, if it comes too it, just ignore the adrennaline junkies and heal everyone who waits for you,
-see about diffrent runes and weapons, these can have a big diffrence to energy and regeneration of energy,
-find a good build, not all skills are good, some are utterly useless and a huge energy drain, the right combination can be very effective,
-practice, practice, practice, it takes a while to get used to a character and a set of skills, go out with a group of friends/guildies for henches/heros and get used to using skill and skill combinations and see what works for you,

most of all, dont give up, there is alot of morons in GW, try not to let them spoil it for you.

Yue · Sep 10, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Vanquisher

. If a Ranger decides to take no interrupts (this happened once) in Frostmaw, and the whole team gets Bile on them because of it, and one Monk is terrible, so we spend 10 minutes waiting after every mob, wipe at least two times on the first 2 levels, I'm going to get annoyed. It just so happened myself and the other Monk did quit out purely because of that, and the fact the Warrior did take Hands/Breeze. The Ranger was also Ignite/Barrage, by the way.

That team was so baed. First time I RQ a pve group that far in.

Voltar · Sep 10, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I'm not saying that you are doing this but it's a common new monk mistake:

12 healing, 12 protection, 3 divine favor.

A restoration rit is a way better healer than a healing monk with little or no df. Orison of healing heal for something like 70 points with 16 in healing but it heals for like 112 with 16 healing, 13 df.

Also, avoiod spells that cost more than 5 energy. My monk is almost as old as the game and I still use mostly 5e spells.

Vanquisher · Sep 10, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Orison is terrible. 10e skills like Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond are awesome.

Avarre · Sep 10, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Yue

That team was so baed. First time I RQ a pve group that far in.

I'm guessing you were the ranger?

Amalek · Sep 10, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by arcady

Korean style?

If that's a keyboard reference, the Korean keyboard looks identical to the English one, but has Hangul characters printed on the keys next to the Phonetician ones found on English keyboards.

I have my mouse left-handed, so using the numberpad for shortcuts is ideal. Funny I never thought to try this in Guild Wars - it's what I do in WoW.

I mean using something like 12345TGB for skills, QWERASDF for party members, and use solely mouse movement. Playing left handed and using the keypad would be similar to that.

dragonofinfinity · Sep 10, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Vanquisher

Orison is terrible. 10e skills like Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond are awesome.

so is life sheath, that has saved me when i ahev been farming the southern shiverpeaks so many times.

Tijger · Sep 10, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by arcady

I play healers because I enjoy it. I don't need to be thanked, because I'm just doing the thing I want to do in the game. Now, when I'm in WoW and the tank drops out and my Druid is stuck switching form to Bear and tanking - well then, you better thank me for having to put up with being a tank.

I agree but I will say that monking (to me) is a lot harder then playing a warrior or any other class. Its fun but I always find myself exhausted after doing it for 2-3 hours while I can do 6 hours with ease as a war.

I dont feel I need to be thanked though, thats just silly, in GW if you play with a human team then everyone has their role and everyone is equally important to the success of the team. I like hearing "hey, that was nice monking" but people who go around asking for special considerations and even money for their monkey I have zero respect for.

SeraCombi · Sep 10, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

the issue here is not energy management.

Here is a Disclaimer for all would-be Monks:

-->if you are a monk, you will blamed for the failure of your team, and for the death of your teammates, no matter how hard you work, and or how bad they play.<---

monks eventually become angry, snippy players because of this.

Good example: i was playing a monk in AB. Myself and a Sin on my team were by ourselves, and a big group of like 7 enemies came towards us. Intelligent reaction: RUN!..right?

The Sin, however, seeing that he had a monk on his back, ran straight into the group of seven! Knowing that we would both die, I ran. When we got back to base after the match, he booted me.

EternalTempest · Sep 10, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

No matter who good you are, an inexperinced wamo (pve) will still drain a monk dry.

I've seen (and done this myself), if they don't listen to slow down, or respond to low engery ... cut them off, stop healing them and allow them to rage quit or they learn to respect I have 1 of X engery. Don't extend yourself in to aggro because the tank is way out of range either.

This pug behavior has happened to me while I was a monk. I don't play monk anymore.

The end result will be the same a usless dead warrior (by there rushing or "slow" healing them) or raqe quit and leave. No matter what you have an empty slot.

Mirage Isnt Emo · Sep 10, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

As much as people also want to make it sound like a group wiping is never a monks fault, a lot of times it will be. You run shitty bars that come people give here, you're dead. The second you run 16 healing is the minute that you died.

Malice Black · Sep 10, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

A group wiping is down to poor communication. Pinging energy, even drawing on the map goes a long way in a pug.

arcady · Sep 10, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by SeraCombi

-->if you are a monk, you will blamed for the failure of your team, and for the death of your teammates, no matter how hard you work, and or how bad they play.<---

The same things are true in any MMO. When PUGs go bad, people blame each other - and that blame usually lands on whoever is least understood by the others.

Healers are popular because they are unpopular to play - so most players know what they need from them, but not how it is done.

Second popular thing to blame is the class in any given game that all the 'newbie players' prefer - the class that has the most popularity. So you see a lot of people counter that it was the warrior, or in WoW, that it was the hunter, who caused the wipe.

Achilles Antony · Sep 10, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

To the OP: You've pretty much described the basic problem every monk in the history of this game has had. No wonder there have been "monk strikes" and many people find monks to be unpleasant. I've had problems with other players while I've monked, which is why I generally don't play my monk in pugs. Either play with people you know, play with heroes/hench, put up with the crap, or try another class. It's a well known fact that monks tend to take all the flak if things go wrong... even if it wasn't your fault and was obviously the fault of a dumb wammo that over-extended himself.

margretli · Sep 10, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Mirage Isnt Emo

As much as people also want to make it sound like a group wiping is never a monks fault, a lot of times it will be. You run shitty bars that come people give here, you're dead. The second you run 16 healing is the minute that you died.

That is not true. When I was a healing monk I run 16 healing, and 5e skills across the bar. Teams are stable and safe no matter where we are.

Most trouble comes from a team with no killing power. It does not matter how good a monk or rit can heal/protect, or how well a tank can hold aggro. When a team can not kill anything, no one will survive.

Vanquisher · Sep 10, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

That's a terrible skill bar and suggesting someone else run it is ridiculously stupid.

Mirage Isnt Emo · Sep 10, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

A simple spirit bond can go a long way, as most things hit for over 60 damage. Sure it is only 10 hits, but that is a hell of a lot of healing compared to spamming orison on the guy, which is only good under healers boon...

arcady · Sep 10, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

I'm going to hazard a guess that more important than your actual skillbar is knowing how to use the skillbar you choose.

Myself, I'm full on Divine Favor and Protection, with zero in anything else. Works well for me.

My most recent build was:
[card]Reversal of Fortune[/card][card]Aegis[/card][card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Convert Hexes[/card][card]Rebirth[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Signet of Capture[/card][card]Divine Boon[/card].

Just captured [card]Zealous Benediction[/card] last night though, so I will be replacing Divine Boon with that, and then mixing up the remainder as seems fit. It took quite a while to get far enough in to capture Zealous Benediction, so I had to make do with what was on hand for most of my monk's time.

This guide:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...ying_as_a_monk

Has some great advice, and for a newer player, you're just going to have to deal with not having a lot of the choices people will mention. But that guide presents a lot of advice for people who are low on elite skills, and many of the core skills it suggests are out there fairly early on, or at least were for me working a Nightfall monk. I've got second Prophesies monk, and I'll see how well I can tool her up once she gets to post-searing (she's on hold at the moment).

Oh, and contrary to popular belief here, I say go ahead and get a wiki build. But, don't be afraid to start adjusting it. Start with on that claims to do a style that interests you, and then start swapping out the things you find you either don't use or don't see as interesting / effective. Swap in whatever is in your list of known or learnable skills that looks interesting, and in time you find the ones that work for you.